Friday, August 22, 2008

Spanking Little Kids and Voting Tendencies, USA

To your left you see a map  of the 2004 Electoral College breakdown.  The states in blue went with the Democratic candidate for President, John Kerry.  The red states went for George W. Bush.  As you see most of Bush's electoral strength was in the South and the Midwest.  Now please take a look at the map below this one.

 

 

 

 

  This is a 2006 map showing the number of student spankings taking place in public-funded schools in the USA.  The darker the state is,  the more frequent is the number of spankings or "paddling" with a wooden board that a child received.  (You ca nrun your cursor over the state on the second map to see the number of spankings.) The darker states had more than a thousand recorded spankings; the lighter shaded states permit spanking but more a lower ratio of corporal punishment.  The light-shaded states are states that do not permit corporal punishment in the schools.  See any similarities?  It seems with the exception of the Virginias, Nevada, Utah, Montana, Nebraska, and the Dakotas,  George W Bush carried every state that lets teachers hit kids with impunity. Coincidence?   

Maybe if Barack Obama wants to win the election this year, he and Mrs. O should start whacking their kids with wood if they get out of line. 

I remember being paddled a few times in my school in California--until they stopped by my school district in 1968, when I was starting the third grade. The state of California banned corporal punishment state-wide in 1987.    


 Personally,I only remember being paddled twice, but one time it was very painful because a grown man--the principal--laid into me and starting whacking my hand with a ruler.  The reason for my punishment? I was wrestling with another kid just after recess.  Surely a six year old should have known better!   And surely an office smacking by a large, bald middle-aged adult was the only possible way I could learn not to fight with another six-year old.  

Later on, my school developed other ways of keeping us kids in line---missing recess by standing on the edge of a grassy lawn, at attention like a soldier, right by the principal's office,or  staying after school to write long sentences on the  chalkboard (a la Bart Simpson in a future time) , or getting put out of class into detention for a hour.


  Real thick-headed offenders were threatened with suspension from school.  Very few kids crossed that line in my day, and this worked very well with me because I couldn't imagine coming home and telling mom or dad I was out of school for a week. I'd be given a good verbal dressing down and then stuck in my room most of the time I was out!  No television and no transistor radio!  This potential state of affairs was more effective to me than taking any physical punishment.  

If parents want to spank their kids, well, that's their decision.  Personally, I don't want a teacher or some principal like the chucklehead who whacked me so hard hitting a kid. I  still remember it forty years on.  Physical punishment by strangers inflicted on children is nothing I'd want any child in my care to receive. Back then, my parents could keep me in line just fine with only a limited amount of "rear end" warming.        

  Seems like most of my friends I kept in touch with from those days  did well as adults when they achieved maturity, despite only having the opportunity to be paddled at school after age 8, if at all.     And its interesting who gets paddled most often as you will see from the reports below, as well as the fact that all European nations---a total of 100 countries in all--don't do it anymore. Anyway, I thought this was interesting.    

The AP story below is by Libby Quaid:   

 

WASHINGTON - Paddlings, swats, licks. A quarter of a million schoolchildren got them in 2007 — and black children, American Indians and kids with disabilities got a disproportionate share of the punishment, according to a study by a human rights group.

Even little kids can be paddled. Heather Porter, who lives in Crockett, Texas, was startled to hear her little boy, then 3, say he'd been spanked at school. Porter was never told, despite a policy at the public preschool that parents be notified.

"We were pretty ticked off, to say the least. The reason he got paddled was because he was untying his shoes and playing with the air conditioner thermostat," Porter said. "He was being a 3-year-old."

 

In its study, which was being released Wednesday, the group Human Rights Watch used Education Department data to show that, while paddling has been declining, racial disparity persists. Researchers also interviewed students, parents and school personnel in Texas and Mississippi, states that account for 40 percent of kids who were paddled in the 2007 school year.

Porter could have filled out a form telling the school not to paddle her son, if only she had realized he might be paddled.

Yet many parents find that such forms are ignored, the study said.

Legal immunity
Widespread paddling can make it unlikely that forms will be checked. A teacher interviewed by Human Rights Watch, Tiffany Bartlett, said that in her Austin, Texas, school, the policy was to lock the classroom doors when the bell rang, leaving stragglers to be paddled by an administrator patrolling the hallways.

And even if schools make a mistake, they are unlikely to face lawsuits. In places where corporal punishment is allowed, teachers and principals generally have legal immunity from assault laws, the study said.

"One of the things we've seen over and over again is that parents have difficulty getting redress, if a child is paddled and severely injured, or paddled in violation of parents' wishes," said Alice Farmer, the study's author.

A majority of states have outlawed it, but corporal punishment remains widespread across the South. Behind Texas and Mississippi were Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Florida and Missouri.

 

13 comments:

  1. Hahaha, mmmmm. I came from a family where both parents are academics and are strongly against spanking children. Instead everything was explained to us and we entered into a discussion, as to why the thing we had done was wrong. From a very early age I always knew when I had behaved badly. Being brought up like this, my three siblings and I, had no need to lie. I think spanking makes children tell huge fibs to get out of punishment. As children, we entered into conversations with adults and were listened to. This made us feel what we had to say mattered. it made us free spirits. We could tell our parents anything with out fear. We were taught to care about other people's feelings.
    I am totally against spanking. Many of the children who turn to crime could have been different people if they had been given a set of values. Of course, there is always the exception to the rule. I find with my students, they desperately want someone to listen to them. So many parents have to go to work to pay the mortgage they simply do not have the time to be there when the children get home. Many young people say, they never sit around the table to eat with the rest of the family. This was one thing that was expected of us and where much of our discussions took place. We'd throw a subject in after dining, then debate it. I can remember taking part in this as young a four and it was great fun!

    Of course there are still parents doing this kind of thing, but it is getting harder, parents have to spread themselves wide. I also think there has to be another way for a school to administer punishment, rather than caning, it reinforces brutal behaviour. Hahha,I usually get shouted down on this subject.

    I was sent to a school where caning wasn't allowed. We were expected to explain our actions if we had behaved badly. Haha, an apology was expected, or given to us if wronged.

    I really doubt George Bush is aware of what goes on in the schools. I feel he has more than enough on his plate for one man!

    I have found that by treating my students with respect, it is given back to me with great affection. That is good enough for me.

    Cassandra

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  2. You know, in every other country except the USA, red is the socialist (left) colour and blue is for the conservative right. Trust you lot to get it all back to front. It's confusing.

    Its no real surprise to see the conservative states whacking/beating/spanking their kids more often. Corporal punishment has been banned from all our schools since 1987 (same year as Cali even) but the one school that still insists on it is a christian school - they get past the law by having the parents sign permission for the school to strap their kids. [The school] "the Education Act forbids corporal punishment, but quotes the Bible saying "we ought to serve God rather than men"."
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10397624

    A few years ago a parent down south was taken to court for assaulting her child, she had used a horsewhip on him. Her lawyer argued that she was able to use "reasonable force" as allowed under section 59 and the judge (to the shock of many New Zealanders) agreed that using the horsewhip was reasonable force so she got off. So a Greens MP wrote an act "repealing section 59" which most of the other MPs agreed with and it passed through the house easily, but the opposition from the christian right was incredible. They really still seem stuck in some kind of Victorian age where a MAN has the right to beat his wife and family when he wishes.

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  3. Thanks for sharing your experiences in teaching Cassandra. The empathy and respect at your classroom make a good deal of sense.

    The issue of parents being able to spend time with their children as a interacting family to me is a huge issue and one that is harder for parents to achieve. Longer commutes to work. Longer hours behind a desk or on the road seeing clients. No wonder kids sometimes will act out in negative ways just to get attention. Kids need to be able to know their parents are there for them as much as possible, care about what they say, and that touchy subjects are not off limits.

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  4. Wow, horsewhipping! That's some tough "love". How can one vote to uphold that?

    This is the same mentality you can find in the USA, with such groups as fundamentalist Christian political guru James Dobson's "Focus on the Family", who advocates hitting kids is getting them somehow closer to God. This is reactionary twaddle of course. Thanks for the news link Iri Ani.

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  5. Family life IS changing. As you say, the long commute home and then the parent almost starting work again as they get in the door. It must be totally shattering!

    I think what helps me, is, I love the high spirits of the young and I don't expect them to change because they are in my presence. They are really young men and women by the time I get them, eighteen or more.

    I do like to see families getting together and playing board games. There are a few families who set aside time for this, both they and the children enjoy it. It doesn't have to be all computer orientated!

    As for schools spanking, to me it isn't an answer. In England we have PTA. Parent teachers association. This is where parents can have a say in the child's education, voice any worries. It is a good way to find out if there are any problems with your child and do something about it. Two hours well spent!

    I don't know if you have the equivalent in America? I would have thought so.

    Thank you Doug, for an interesting blog.

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  6. I think where you are and where I am Doug (and the other commentators) this sort of institutionalised abuse would result in the perpetrators being taken to the cleaners.Texas and Mississippi would be bankrupted by the litigation and the 'spankers' would be on the child protection register where they obviously should be. The notion then came to me that we all live in one country and the flagellators all live in another. An interesting take on globalisation I thought.
    Anyway, this is a very interesting blog that suggests that the Civil War only had a rather partial success, the third world seems to be just around the corner Doug. Have Texas and Mississippi considered the benefits of Sharia law yet, sounds like they're halfway there already?

    I like Iri I am also struck by the inversion of political colours in the US.....does the term 'better red than dead'...... mean better Republican than errrrrrrm .....deceased .....in all those red states?

    To get back to the point though... beating up children at school is not big or clever, like you and Cassandra say it doesn't bring out the best in people, it is bullying and thoroughly unpleasant conduct by what in England would be seen as sleazy individuals that require surveillance and monitoring at the very least. I suspect the same is true in Oregon. I doubt many of these whacko teachers would be allowed to live within a one mile vicinity of a school. let alone work in one here.
    An interesting topic, thanks for posting it Doug.

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  7. I'm thinking that allowing violence in the schools - because thats what corporal punishment is - is role modelling just the kind of behaviour you don't want kids to learn. Why would a school use a belt on a kid and then act surprised when (following that religious teaching of an eye for an eye) kids arrive at the schools with weapons and start taking out other kids and teachers.

    Some years ago on our news here, the then President Clinton appeared twice. The first time was reporting his reaction to the bombing of an American Embassy. Clinton said, the American people will demand retribution for this act, (or words to that effect). The next item was a shooting tragedy at a school and President Clinton something about, we need to teach our children not to respond with violence.

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  8. Yes, Cassandra, PTA in the USA, local and national chapters, has been active for over a century. They helped establish Kindergarten classes in most of the country and lobbied to toughen child labor bylaws. If I had children I'd certainly try to be involved. It sounds like you get a lot of satisfaction out of teaching despite all the distractions older teens are subject to.

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  9. I watched a recent television documentary series on the Reconstruction Period in the United States (1865-77), when Federal troops occupied the South and black people were ,briefly, able to gain suffrage and some measure of political power. This ended after an extremely close Presidential Election in 1876 forced the Republicans (then the liberal party) to redraw the troops to placate the Democrats who lost the presumptive Presidency in the disputed Electoral Voting, but had won the popular vote. (Shades of the 2000 Election!) The gist of all this historical back room dealing was that the South effectively restored apartheid in "Dixie" and, with it, consolidated a semi-feudal system of economics that left as decades-long legacy until, again at the point of Federal Bayonets in some cases, places like Little Rock Arkansas and Montgomery Alabama were brought into the 20 Century around 1955-65 through the Civil Rights campaigns.




    Sharia Law indeed! :-) Such things as school spankings, a stubborn faith in the the death penalty, and a lack of support for the for the poor and the elderly still persist more strongly I believe in Dixie than in other areas. We are in many cultural ways, North and South, one nation and many of the flaws I lay at the door of the South can be found in other scattered regions on the USA. But as you said they seem to be more severe in parts of the Deep South.


    It is rather humorous that the Republicans are "The Reds" in the USA. Poetic justice for the inheritors of Joe Mc Carthy's legacy perhaps?

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  10. I missed that at the time, but, yikes, that's awful hypocrisy.

    I'm afraid that's very telling about the worst aspects of American culture--not Clinton's finest hour either.

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  11. Hahaha, I think lecturing is an easy kind of teaching. I talk they listen, usually making notes! With that age group you have to have a sense of fun. If you could see what they do to my car on Valentines day! I hide it, they always find my secret places.

    I do feel it is a good thing for parents to be involved in PTA. Unfortunately the lower working class families seem to feel intimidated by the procedure. I can understand this, when their own education has been neglected. I was on one of the governor boards, connected with our Church school. I suggested a simple display of their children's work, with teachers walking around mingling. This did work better than the usual sitting in front of the teacher at a desk. For some parents that alone is difficult to cope with. Maybe we should place ourselves in other people's shoes and try to understand them. That would help things along, I'm sure!

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  12. I was paddled often in school as a child. Labeled a "dreamer" - I had better things to do with my mind then listen to some moron drone on and play pocket pool with himself.

    If some teacher ever hits my kids, they'd be very sorry they did. I am not a mousy woman like my mother is.

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