tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post2203621739754932377..comments2023-09-06T01:53:41.634-07:00Comments on doug's Site: Aloha, Presidential Birther Cranks: President Born in the USA!Doug's Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09219952832674415239noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-91383745228078786222011-05-28T21:47:46.000-07:002011-05-28T21:47:46.000-07:00Laughing as he would never say it but they did :)
...Laughing as he would never say it but they did :)<br />Initiative Stainhttp://initiativestain.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-32835631541856794772011-05-28T21:15:58.000-07:002011-05-28T21:15:58.000-07:00I think Trump sent out his dogs of war and they al...I think Trump sent out his dogs of war and they all came back to bite him. It proves a man can have a lot of money and fame and still seem rather small. doug noakeshttp://dnoakes.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-6284160806518879392011-05-28T20:54:44.000-07:002011-05-28T20:54:44.000-07:00Doug, I don't think any President went through...Doug, I don't think any President went through what he has and there is fair game but then their is honor with regards to a President. I wrote on this and I forget where I placed it as I almost worked for that man while living within New York City and Trump placed his finger withing the wrong cookie jar.Initiative Stainhttp://initiativestain.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-25202353609517701972011-05-16T18:58:47.000-07:002011-05-16T18:58:47.000-07:00I imagine a global refendum on the status of any A...I imagine a global refendum on the status of any American leader would not be too good for the Chief Executive in question, AA. <br /><br />I guess I can say, without pretending I can make a final judgement, that the President was born in Hawaii, which is where he said he was born all along. On all other points, he is fair game to criticism. doug noakeshttp://dnoakes.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-58827030940887806512011-05-16T11:55:47.000-07:002011-05-16T11:55:47.000-07:00Or something a bit fishy is going on Doug......if ...Or something a bit fishy is going on Doug......if this is a multiple choice question on the relationship between Barack Obama, manifest destiny and the American Dream I think we may have the terms of a global referendum on the matter. With all this talk of forgery in the air I think we should ask the audience...but what does it all mean Doug?Aaran Aardvarkhttp://aaranaardvark.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-41375492977964334112011-05-16T09:01:47.000-07:002011-05-16T09:01:47.000-07:00I think what Obama has become is far more importan...I think what Obama has become is far more important than what territory he was born in, Cassandra, and as I said earlier the idea that an American President has to be born in US territory is anachronistic and not worthy of the finer aspects of the US Constitution, which includes the Bill of Rights and the willingness of past generations Including Obama's grandfather in World War II) to lay down their lives to help defend the rights of people in other democracies from fascists and others who would remove the consent of the governed from the equation of government. <br /><br />Barack Obama did work hard to get where he is, and for a man to come out of a family with no connections and raised by a single mother and his grandmother is a testament that America has some right things going for it. <br /><br />I think Trump-mania may be finally over, but asking God's help to avoid his mark as our national leader is something worth praying for!doug noakeshttp://dnoakes.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-69689011525485280522011-05-16T08:49:20.000-07:002011-05-16T08:49:20.000-07:00The media here too often seems to focus more on su...The media here too often seems to focus more on superficial matters, Jack. Trump makes good "copy" because he is loud and opinionated and has strengths at drawing media to him. At the end of the day, this whole birth certificate mess is a huge distraction form real national problems. <br /><br />Just to be forever against some leader or some policy to me is not a sign of a potential leader. <br /><br />If the Canadian media is generally less likely to be sucked into covering blowhards like Mr. Trump, well, more power to them.doug noakeshttp://dnoakes.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-46288800971769349702011-05-13T03:24:13.000-07:002011-05-13T03:24:13.000-07:00Surely the whole issue should be what America has ...Surely the whole issue should be what America has allowed Obama to become. If the fact he was born else where were to come about, doesn't it prove the words of the American dream are right, that a man can rise from no where to become President of the United States of America.<br /><br />"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" From that if you reach your hand out and embrace all it offers you, maybe, just maybe, you too can become president. Ah, yes, the stuff of dreams.<br /><br />Greater is the story that opens before me, greater is the task I assay. Vergil's Aeneid. <br />Maybe not in the same context he said it, but it fits. Obama didn't get where he is now sitting picking fluff out of his navel.<br /><br />Personally, I like him.<br /><br />God save you all from Donald Trump!!!!Cassandra La jeune fille blondehttp://eyhdi2cassandrias.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-60845895896169402182011-05-07T13:28:44.000-07:002011-05-07T13:28:44.000-07:00As you know I wrote on this and as well my own per...As you know I wrote on this and as well my own personal experience with Trump. He is not the cloth nor within the realm within my thoughts of what which is neither of the nature nor of the manner that was one other that those that create this tabloidism mentality. The president never needed to opt down to the level of Trump. As, Trump has had his own economic problems. Doug that is extreme, and I really feel that the onus was not on Obama. You saw my post and Trump will never give an apology but he literally made a big slip with this one. As he said it was a service to America. I think these are the things, which are taking us away from what is important, and it's much like a Bill Orielly running for President - which really is what many would consider extremism within the state of a nation. If President while in term has to tend to the likes of Trump, I don't know how he can do his job. As there are more important things of concern. Hawaii has always had that method of declaration of birth.<br /><br />Perhaps Hawaii shall now adopt a new plan? Yet here again is where money is used in areas that there are no needs. This is why I mentioned that perhaps Canada is what the past America was. I don't think Canada is what America should be but this is where countries of the likes of Canada don't have their leader that needs to waist time on matters such as Donald. <br /><br />I don’t know one American if the average person even cared about this till some felt the need to pay to be able to focus on this. It's not the America I knew. People I don't think cared about this but it was pushed on people. Money could be spent in a much better manner if you ask me. I would think that within any country there is better time spent on important matters – not areas as of such.<br />Again I will state I was raised in America and within the only other democractic country which I have lived in these things don't happen. Said with respect...Initiative Stainhttp://initiativestain.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-29933655763475620172011-05-07T10:13:44.000-07:002011-05-07T10:13:44.000-07:00Well put AA.
It seems even harder to find a sem...Well put AA. <br /><br />It seems even harder to find a semblance of rationality in public discourse. Events like long distance push-button war and terror alerts clothed in secret details bring people to embrace fears, symbols and false totems of power to circumvent the higher centers of their brains. What is needed is a peaceful revolution within people's minds, a reawakening of the expectation of reason and honesty from our elected leaders and a clear deliniation of whom they answer to. (This will, sadly, come across as psychosis to many so infected by the likes of Murdoch, Roger Ailes and their global argosy of tabloid bilge.) <br /><br />For starters, a decade of this 'great game" business is in southwest Asia is enough for me. "Support Our Troops", as one bumper sticker I saw on a car put it, "Bring Them All Home Alive."doug noakeshttp://dnoakes.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-88058635042420865852011-05-07T01:23:17.000-07:002011-05-07T01:23:17.000-07:00Ne'er a truer word writ Doug. One man's co...Ne'er a truer word writ Doug. One man's cognitive dissonance is of course another man's doublethink, but it all amounts to the same thing in reality. The problem is the big lie, the inescapable consequences of living by deception and artifice is like the Sorcerers Apprentice's syndrome, taken on a life of its own and out of control.<br /><br />Perhaps in the case of the White House we are talking about the Br'er Rabbit syndrome where 9/11 is the Tar Baby and Rupert Murdoch is Br'er Fox News.... but in my view this Big Lie is the generator for such delusions that it is both the cause and the consequence of the present situation, starting as 'doublethink' it has now crossed the floor of rationality and become full blown sound the klaxon horn, cognitive dissonance.<br /><br />Unfortunately the only cure is a revolutionary one, the institutions of the state and the media are now fatally tainted in my view they are no longer fit for purpose.<br /><br />That is why the War On Shopping is fighting a pitched battle with Greater Bilderbergia right now.... fight psychosis with psychosis I say, after all it has always worked in the past!<br /><br />Thanks for your concise analysis Doug it says it all.Aaran Aardvarkhttp://aaranaardvark.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-39580035272399383682011-05-06T09:22:10.000-07:002011-05-06T09:22:10.000-07:00Yes.
The matter of what makes politics generally...Yes. <br /><br />The matter of what makes politics generally work in America--money in large donations over a citizenry improperly coursed in public affairs--is one system that no upstanding extraterrestrial life form would endorse. ;-) doug noakeshttp://dnoakes.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-47262616989483392392011-05-05T23:11:14.000-07:002011-05-05T23:11:14.000-07:00You know I was teasing, of course.
"I would ...You know I was teasing, of course.<br /><br />"I would like an explanation why"....<br />Oh dear. I have so many questions about so many things that will never be answered, they're putting me to sleep.lucija jovanovichttp://scootch2.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-31710142422555585942011-05-05T20:06:45.000-07:002011-05-05T20:06:45.000-07:00That is correct, AA. I'm no tea partier. The ...That is correct, AA. I'm no tea partier. The "paranoid style in American politics" (to quote Richard Hofsteadler, who wrote an interesting book with that title in 1964) arises with the frequency of the tides. This is its latest manifestation. I apologize.<br /><br />The idealism behind spreading the "American brand" all over the earth is the source of a lot of America's woes I'm afraid. That our "alien" leaders--whatever the dodgy background of their parents and the House of Bush is another example-- often behave like our National Security State is its own benign interplantary space patrol. And our human wreckage is not as bad as the human wreckage of our enemies is the cognitive dissonance of empire, and all current and former occupants of the White House in my memory suffer from it.doug noakeshttp://dnoakes.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-32788277950466858412011-05-05T19:53:08.000-07:002011-05-05T19:53:08.000-07:00You know, the more I think about what you wrote, L...You know, the more I think about what you wrote, Lucija, the more it makes sense. Some scientists believe organic life travelled to earth via a meteorite, so whay not what passes for political philosophy crashed somwwhere and gave us what passes for government today? <br /><br />There are some deadheads who would think the "birth certificate" issue still has merits. They are desperate people. I would like an explanation why no one went to jail for overvaluing all those worthless mortgage-backed bonds that tanked the economy? I'd like to know why Goldman Sachs and others pay out an average of 690,000 dollars in compensation while the average American home owner has lost forty percent of the equity in his house in the last threee years? I'd like to know why the media focuses like a laser beam on dolts like Donald Trump?doug noakeshttp://dnoakes.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-412500379169917242011-05-05T15:07:33.000-07:002011-05-05T15:07:33.000-07:00Here I think you refer to the so-called Tea Party ...Here I think you refer to the so-called Tea Party Doug whose urgent desire for oversimplification is all that seems to unite them.<br /><br />Where Mr Obama was born is less important than why he is what he is today in my view. I suppose the anti-globalist in me can see the argument that if the president of America is not actually an American this could cause difficulties with national identity issues and the question of what America is and where does it actually end (if anywhere?).<br /><br />It could be that America is a global brand so it doesn't end anywhere and therefore anybody can be the president in a sort of universalization of manifest destiny even a lowly Mongolian goat herder, or a son of an MI6 agent from Hawaii can hold the highest office on earth.....why not? God Bless America and all that sails in her....the reality seems to be that the aliens have already landed. In future we may have to communicate in runes Doug?Aaran Aardvarkhttp://aaranaardvark.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-17605375669765395732011-05-05T15:03:25.000-07:002011-05-05T15:03:25.000-07:00Perhaps that's what really happened?
"T...Perhaps that's what really happened? <br /><br />"The aliens' answers to social problems are as ineffectual as the earthling leaders already on the job. In the end they are given positions writing down half-baked ideas in books at some political think-tank, and are soon forgotten."<br /><br />I love it!<br /><br />I 'ventured' in to Yahoo comments the other day, (bad, bad, very bad stupid thing to do)! Some guy said he'd discovered with some software (maybe his head) that the long form is a fake, & expert investigators have now agreed with him; Obama owes us an explanation! There's no shortage of such fools.lucija jovanovichttp://scootch2.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-40769855348445552292011-05-05T12:28:57.000-07:002011-05-05T12:28:57.000-07:00That's true, AA. I think the very first polit...That's true, AA. I think the very first political blog I ever wrote was based on a short story a friend of mine wrote for a university student magazine, in the style of Kurt Vonnegut. It was about politicans exiled from a planet on the other side of the galaxy who come to earth in a space ship and proceed to lead humankind...nowhere. <br /><br />The aliens' answers to social problems are as ineffectual as the earthling leaders already on the job. In the end they are given positions writing down half-baked ideas in books at some political think-tank, and are soon forgotten. <br /><br />It's one thing to criticize someone in my mind for his words and deeds, that's fair game. But this whole domestic he's-not-one-of-us crud smacks to McCarthyism and the knee-capping tactics of bullies and the fools that crave a big lie to justify their flight from reality.doug noakeshttp://dnoakes.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-13454557409182348482011-05-05T12:10:13.000-07:002011-05-05T12:10:13.000-07:00Cue Bruce Springsteen (if it isn't a fake of c...Cue Bruce Springsteen (if it isn't a fake of course).....I'm more worried about which planet our politicians come from than which country they claim to represent, personally speaking naturallyAaran Aardvarkhttp://aaranaardvark.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-91289840959513304392011-05-02T20:31:59.000-07:002011-05-02T20:31:59.000-07:00I feel the same way, Lucija. It's very frustr...I feel the same way, Lucija. It's very frustratingdoug noakeshttp://dnoakes.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-49352309646108197212011-04-29T18:19:49.000-07:002011-04-29T18:19:49.000-07:00Doug, that & the Supreme Court are my biggest ...Doug, that & the Supreme Court are my biggest beefs. I know that my reasoning is valid, but of course, I'm only blowing in the wind.lucija jovanovichttp://scootch2.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-58044576834223582532011-04-29T18:16:46.000-07:002011-04-29T18:16:46.000-07:00Well, that really makes all the difference, doesn&...Well, that really makes all the difference, doesn't it?lucija jovanovichttp://scootch2.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-59166991351296589262011-04-29T18:14:14.000-07:002011-04-29T18:14:14.000-07:00I don't get it, either. In the Constitution or...I don't get it, either. In the Constitution or not. Let's face it. The GOP governors in 'some' States are violating the Constitution all the time. The question, (ludicrous as it is), is...when is it okay to violate the Constitution & when not? Go figure.<br /><br />I'd leave this country in a heartbeat if I weren't disabled. (Which makes it even worse, of course, as the GOPS want to get rid of any program that might help someone like me.)lucija jovanovichttp://scootch2.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-62852563722311205412011-04-29T03:36:57.000-07:002011-04-29T03:36:57.000-07:00Yes, that's one I'm watching as well.Yes, that's one I'm watching as well.doug noakeshttp://dnoakes.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2503771624520315711.post-11041281677660806222011-04-29T03:35:16.000-07:002011-04-29T03:35:16.000-07:00No, I knew you weren't being critical Ian--not...No, I knew you weren't being critical Ian--not that there's anything wrong with that. <br /><br /><br /> This might be a good time in the USA to have a serious debate about amending the birth requirement for our presidents...but somehow I doubt it. <br /><br />Yes, I remember hearing about the row over the football team.doug noakeshttp://dnoakes.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.com